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	<title>Comments on: Reforming culture</title>
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	<description>Secularism, religion, and the public sphere</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Winnifed Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://www.ssrc.org/blogs/immanent_frame/2008/06/26/reforming-culture/#comment-2938</link>
		<dc:creator>Winnifed Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan Cargun asks whether children have religious freedom.  As I understand it, he asks this question from a cognitive/developmental point of view. Constitutionally speaking, the first amendment free exercise rights of children, independent of their parents, are extremely limited.  Apart from basic physical care, it is parents who have rights with respect to choices about religion and culture, not children. That would include children in foster care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan Cargun asks whether children have religious freedom.  As I understand it, he asks this question from a cognitive/developmental point of view. Constitutionally speaking, the first amendment free exercise rights of children, independent of their parents, are extremely limited.  Apart from basic physical care, it is parents who have rights with respect to choices about religion and culture, not children. That would include children in foster care.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Cragun</title>
		<link>http://www.ssrc.org/blogs/immanent_frame/2008/06/26/reforming-culture/#comment-2911</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Cragun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a nice post illustrating how complicated the relationship is between religion and culture.

There was just one minor part of the post that struck me:
&lt;blockquote&gt;while the Texas authorities condemned the ranch for its “culture,” it also was at pains to demonstrate that it was respecting the children’s &lt;i&gt;religious freedom&lt;/i&gt; and accommodating what they termed their “unique” cultural needs.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Perhaps my thinking has been too influenced by Richard Dawkins's latest book here, but do children really have "religious freedom"?  Dawkins seems to equate all religious indoctrination/socialization with brainwashing, which I would consider a bit overboard.  But there is a point there: Just how much freedom of/from religion do children have?  I know Bruce Hunsberger found the average age of "dropping out" of religion to be around 14 in some of his research on Canadians, but what do we mean by "children"?  If we mean pre-teens, then children, arguably, don't have much religious freedom.  

If this is too much of a tangent from the main point of the article, no need to respond.  I just think this is an interesting issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a nice post illustrating how complicated the relationship is between religion and culture.</p>
<p>There was just one minor part of the post that struck me:</p>
<blockquote><p>while the Texas authorities condemned the ranch for its “culture,” it also was at pains to demonstrate that it was respecting the children’s <i>religious freedom</i> and accommodating what they termed their “unique” cultural needs.</p></blockquote>
<p>Perhaps my thinking has been too influenced by Richard Dawkins&#8217;s latest book here, but do children really have &#8220;religious freedom&#8221;?  Dawkins seems to equate all religious indoctrination/socialization with brainwashing, which I would consider a bit overboard.  But there is a point there: Just how much freedom of/from religion do children have?  I know Bruce Hunsberger found the average age of &#8220;dropping out&#8221; of religion to be around 14 in some of his research on Canadians, but what do we mean by &#8220;children&#8221;?  If we mean pre-teens, then children, arguably, don&#8217;t have much religious freedom.  </p>
<p>If this is too much of a tangent from the main point of the article, no need to respond.  I just think this is an interesting issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Winnifed Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://www.ssrc.org/blogs/immanent_frame/2008/06/26/reforming-culture/#comment-2908</link>
		<dc:creator>Winnifed Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More religion and culture. The Dalai Lama, speaking to a group at Oxford University,  is quoted in the July 17, 2008, issue of the &lt;em&gt;New York Review of Books&lt;/em&gt; as follows:

"All of you are friends of the Tibetan People, even the small children here,  all with the same blood and DNA. Religion is a matter for each individual. But culture, including the precious Tibetan culture, is for the whole community."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More religion and culture. The Dalai Lama, speaking to a group at Oxford University,  is quoted in the July 17, 2008, issue of the <em>New York Review of Books</em> as follows:</p>
<p>&#8220;All of you are friends of the Tibetan People, even the small children here,  all with the same blood and DNA. Religion is a matter for each individual. But culture, including the precious Tibetan culture, is for the whole community.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dain Fitzgerald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dain Fitzgerald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 23:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an excellent post. 

This is part of the reason I critique modern liberals who deem "health and safety" nicely separable from the issue of multiculturalism, which they also claim to value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an excellent post. </p>
<p>This is part of the reason I critique modern liberals who deem &#8220;health and safety&#8221; nicely separable from the issue of multiculturalism, which they also claim to value.</p>
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